Monday, December 31, 2012

Film of Exhumed Bodies at Majdanek

Here is a Youtube version of the film made by the Polish army at Majdanek on July 25, 1944, directed by Aleksander Ford. Exhumation of a mass grave is shown from 12:00 minutes into the film. The sequence of shots corresponds to the version summarized in the Spielberg archive here.

35 comments:

Alan Rembach said...

Thank you for sharing this link. Happy New Year and all the best for 2013!

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Hm, well, thanks? This shows nothing, really. Certainly that no crime had been committed.
A supposed grave containing who knows who, dying of who knows what.
Yeah, nice find Harrison. Marvellous.

FRANZ

Jonathan Harrison said...

Well even Mattogno admits that "As an aside, the autopsies conducted by the Polish-Soviet Commission on the 733 bodies discovered in Krepiecki Forest showed that 349 of the dead exhibited bullet wounds"

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/ccm/5.html

See also the contemporary report of W.H. Lawrence:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/02/mass-graves-and-majdanek.html

Nathan said...

Was there ever a time that the place called "Majdanek" was under Soviet control before liberation in 1944? When the Nazis invaded Lublin, did they present any victims from Majdanek as being those of the Soviets? They certainly spared no expense with Katyn, surely in the intervening 5 years, the Nazis could have exposed Majdanek? What better way to justify their invasion, if not that?

Did they?

Jonathan Harrison said...

No it was on the German side of the demarkation line and was originally used by the Nazis as a Jewish reservation with forced labor camps and "decimation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisko_Plan

It has been Russian until 1915 only, then German/Austrian til 1918, then Polish to 9/39

Jonathan Harrison said...

See also early genocidal intentions for Lublin discussed in the Critique:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_2483.html

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Interesting how you can connect any of this with genocide, Harrison.

FRANZ

Nathan said...

- No it was on the German side of the demarkation line and was originally used by the Nazis as a Jewish reservation with forced labor camps and "decimation."-
So, no chance of the killings being done by anyone other than his heroes, then. Thanks for the answer

NorfolkTurkey said...

This is the best footage of the liberation of Bergen-Belsen I have ever seen, with the SS being made to fill up the mass graves with the people they murdered, with the Mayor of the local town looking on. Downloadable at http://www.torrents.net/torrent/2229052/Frontline---Memory-of-the-Camps-%28PBS-Holocaust-Documentary%29/

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Norfolk,
What credentials do you have for saying that the Germans murdered those people? Did the Allies murder prisoners too upon 'liberation' when prisoners were dying? Obviously 'yes' using your nutroll logic.

FRANZ

NorfolkTurkey said...

Definitely worth a look if you're in any doubt. Of course, we have to treat these things with due caution, but the commentary states that the water and food supply to the camp had been cut off, although it was available in nearby villages and farms. The mayor and townsfolk of the nearby town (a delightful-looking place by the way, which seemed to have escaped the war unscathed)who are neatly dressed in their Sunday best and apparently well-fed, seem pretty embarrassed about everything, so perhaps they felt that something terrible had happened. I guess they haven't changed their minds about that to this day in that part of Saxony, having been eye-witnesses to the aftermath.

Nathan said...

Wow. How utterly pathetic. Assholeloser obviously has no argument against the fact that no one but his heroes were in control of Majdanek until 1944. So, the shithead is reduced to bitching about the western camps. Well, unfortunately for Assholeloser, the same is true for the western camps. No one other than his heroes was in control of them until the liberation. For the inevitable bitching about "Allied bombing", even if that were true- and it's not- it's still his heroes' fault. It was they who overworked, shot, underfed and force marched the victims around. No one else. Whoever takes prisoners bears the responsibility of prvoviding for them.

Nathan said...

AnderSSon is probably in his late twenties or early thirties. Yet, his "reasoning"is on the level of a two year old, or a senile old fart. The doctor must've gotten shocked from how utterly fucking hideous he was when he was born and decided to throw him in the Garbage. Ironic, for all his hard ons toward the nazis, he would've probably been the first to been T4d if it had continued on. Maybe German civilians wouldn't have put pressure on it to be stopped if they'd have seen it was for "people" like him.

Roberto Lucena said...

A small correction on the date of the text, in the movie Polish descripton cites that the movie was made between 24-25 July, not on August 25.

Roberto Lucena said...

Correction Credits for Leo Gott.

Jonathan Harrison said...

Thanks. I have amended accordingly.

Nathan said...

The point still stands

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

What the hell are you talking about, Nathan? Take your god damned medicine or seek help.
The Germans did not deliberately underfeed the inmates - food -- along with everything else one needs for survival -- became scarce as a direct result of your heroes bombing everything to smithereens.
Your 'heroes' even bombed Unholocausted Jews in Birkenau, you dimwit. Hell, they even bombed their own men on many occasions. I'm sure this happened on the German side once in awhile too, but your thoroughly stupid heroes seem to have made it a routine.
What I wrote with regards to the western camps are absolutely correct and your pathetic insults cannot change that fact, what's more; I never got the point of you guys calling me "Andersson"? That is not my name. I'm just curious - why are you applying this name to me? Because of a faulty 'journalist' named Daniel Poohl cannot research facts before printing a magazine? That dumbshit only got 25% facts straight, the rest being nothing but fantasy or simply made up because they lacked actual facts.
Daniel Poohl even lied about seeking me for a comment: how can they seek somebody they have no number to, no address or even name? Were they dialing: k 0 n s l on the phone? Of course they cannot seek me for a comment when they do not know who I am.
So Daniel Poohl even lied about such a petty detail.

Lying is your business, Nathan. That certainly is clear. The fact that you take the words of Daniel Poohl on face value, and without substance, proves that you are what you call me: a really stupid asshole!

FRANZ

NorfolkTurkey said...

Franz; The Germans did not deliberately underfeed the inmates - food -- along with everything else one needs for survival -- became scarce as a direct result of your heroes bombing everything to smithereens.

Norfolk; Hi Franz. If you watch the movie you will see that the nearby villages are well-stocked with food,as beautiful and orderly as German villages are today,and the local people and camp staff are well-fed and healthy. It is only the prisoners who were starved. Also there was a German army hospital 2 miles away which had plenty of medical supplies which they could have shared with the prisoners.
Changing the subject a little, I studied Anglo-Saxon language and culture at university, have spent most of my life close to the North Sea, and am as proud of the contribution that the Germanic-speaking peoples have made to European law, art and culture as anyone. The important thing to remember about the Nazis is that they were fighting against the ethical culture of the European and Germanic-speaking peoples, which was accepted by our ancestors from the Jewish tradition of Moses, St Paul and Jesus, and which the vast majority of our ancestors have always upheld. It was the Nazis who betrayed the culture of the Germans by trying to replace it with the new and alien ideas of Fascism. Germans following the good traditions of our culture, as the English soldiers did at Belsen, would have looked after their prisoners energetically and diligently, not neglected them.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Some OK points by the HC-booster, Mr. NorfolkTurkey.
I have seen that 'documentary' before. Actually, I've seen that particular footage before that documentary existed.

You base these things from propaganda footage which is saying it all, really. Nothing to say on that.
Yeah, ARMY HOSPITAL you clever little man - clearly not for people who wished Germany to be extirpated r00t and branch. What do you know about this Army hospital being well-stocked with medical supplies, got any additional information regarding this? With this I naturally mean so well-stocked as to being able to take care of enemies of the Reich (that's basically what these subversive elements were considered to be).

What is wrong in being against the perverted humanism found in the Jewish tradition of Moses? This tradition has never been of benefit for Europeans or any Germanic speaking peoples, none whatsoever.

Please get your definitions straight, too. There are quite major distinctions between National Socialism and Facism, they are only similar in some matters.
The majority of Germans lived happily under National Socialism until Germany was pinched in a full-blown war, one which the Jews had wished for and wanted. They got it, and all nations, particularly Germany, lost a lot in this titanic battle whilst the Jew sat it out in a coozy KZ, with little to no problems to really speak about compared to what other peoples experienced IN THE WAR.
Remember, the Jews sat it out, when not fighting illegally and cowardly attacking unarmed hospital treks and really foul ambushes on victims who cherished chivalry, forthrightness and everything else that exemplifies a good German.

The Jews predictably engaged in mere subterfuge and Jewish cunning, all in civilian clothing.

FRANZ

NorfolkTurkey said...

FH; With this I naturally mean so well-stocked as to being able to take care of enemies of the Reich (that's basically what these subversive elements were considered to be)

NT; In an efficiently-run prison camp, hospital facilities are provided for all the inmates regardless of their status.

FH; What is wrong in being against the perverted humanism found in the Jewish tradition of Moses? This tradition has never been of benefit for Europeans or any Germanic speaking peoples, none whatsoever.

NT; A substantial majority of the Germanic-language speaking peoples would disagree with you. Jewish ethics is the foundation of the German religion, Christianity.

FH; Remember, the Jews sat it out,...

NT; Not at all. Jews fought bravely in all armies where they were asked to. In the First World War many fought for Germany, and one of them, Major Hugo Gutmann, was responsible for Hitler being awarded the Iron Cross.



Franz Holtzhäuser said...

No, Mathis, they sat it out in camps, for the most part.
Undoubtedly there are some good Jews, and incidentally brave ones. However, you're not one of them.

Lame booster.

FRANZ

NorfolkTurkey said...

FH; No, Mathis, they sat it out in camps, for the most part.

NT; Angus, actually Franz. I think the figures for Jews who served in the WWII Allied military overall are about 1.5 million. So when free to do so, Jews played a full part in the war, as they had done in previous wars as with Hitler's commanding officer Gutmann. That was certainly so in the British Army, anyway.

Nathan said...

Being thrown in the garbage as a baby seems to have permanently affected AnderSSon's comprehension. I understand that his eyesight must've been horribly hampered by whatever hideous birth defect he's afflicted with, so I'll try to be considerate. Mr. AnderSSon seems to have missed the following:
It was they who overworked, shot, underfed and force marched the victims around. No one else.
Bitching about "Allied bombing" doesn't cut it. The whole "food shortage" thing is so laughably old that it's not worth covering here anymore.
I certainly hope that's clear enough for Mr. AnderSSon's..."eyes"? Does he even have them? Can he still see under that thing that he calls a face?
I understand that the stress of being thrown in the garbage and being stigmatized by other people may have warped Mr. AnderSSon's psyche beyond all repair, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt when he says that "Birkenau was bombed by the allies". He probably has no idea of what he's talking about.

Nathan said...

I've given him far more consideration than any of his heroes ever would. A doctor in today's civilized society was so horrified by how hideous Assholeloser looked and threw him in the garbage. Even the cockroaches and the rats wanted nothing to do with that thing that looked vaguely like a baby. What more if he had been alive during the war? If he had lived in his beloved Nazi germany, he would've no doubt been arrested and sent to one of the euthanasia centers. I imagine that the doctor would accidentally end up giving him multiple phenol shots, on account of his heart not being in the place where he expects, and constantly missing because he can't stand the sight of that....thing on the operating table. But, what do you expect: they were cowards, after all, what with shooting hundreds of thousands of defenseless men, women and children.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

NorfolkTurkey:

Where did you obtain those figures?

As for the Mathis reference, I probably jumped the gun, but the lame sucking up and apparent self-boostering (i.e calling the distortions done by these guys 'heroic') along with the writing style had me thinking you were that scumbag. Oh well, sorry for calling you that name!

Faithfully,
FRANZ

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Nathan:

Sorry, my bad. Of course I meant Monowitz (i.e Auschwitz III). My point still stands and is valid; are you saying nobody was HOLOCAUSTED to DEATH at Monowitz, Nathan? If people were hoaxco$ted at this place, in whatever fancy you currently cherish, then my point stands even more: your idiotic heroes murdered yet Unholocausted Jews, your pitiful Rassenkumpels. Before you fire of some tangent about anti-Semitism: what were these wretched folks but pitiful, or are you saying they were all-allure Jews on some holiday resort and not merely Jews? Of course they were pitiful, you'd probably be quite petty yourself in a similar situation, and you'd probably scream about hearing a 'gas chamber' in-action too whilst in actual fact somebody was just getting the lawnmower started. Your kind is known for paranoia, hysteria and schizoid traits - it is typical amongst the Jews.

As RoboCopper would say your projections are quite revealing.

Nathan also said:
"shooting hundreds of thousands of defenseless men, women and children."

Indicating that this bastard believes the Germans shot hundreds of thousands of men, women and children - preferably his Rassenkumpel I suppose.
You're just spreading anti-German hate and horror stories, you're a foul little shit and one certainly understand you speaking about ugliness because you could never post a true photograph of yourself.
Most Jews do in fact look...well, how should I say that in a delicate way...like horrible shit in human form. Ya, well! I tried to say it delicately.

Now go and molest your own daughters, another Jewish speciality, when you're not sucking the cock of a baby. Oh, and lest I be accused of anti-Semitism, here ya have a recent story on Jewish cock sucking of baby peens:
http://piratenews.org/jewish-rabbis-suck-dick.html

Have a great day my friends.

FRANZ

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

As I said in the comments section of another blog, the moronic ramblings of poor "Franz" (including but not limited to their self-projecting parts) are appreciated for what they reveal about "Revisionism" and its proponents.

So please keep on rambling, "Franz". The more hatefully you slobber, the better.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

You really mustered a fine reply, Roberta. A fine, fine copy 'n paste.

Congratulations on your achievement !

FRANZ

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

That's my "Franz", always doing as I tell him to do. :-)

Nathan said...

- are you saying nobody was HOLOCAUSTED to DEATH at Monowitz, Nathan? -

As a matter of fact, yes. That's what I'm saying. If I'm not mistaken, Roberto, Nick, JH and others would also say that too. Most people probably say that. At least, in the sense that it had no extermination function.

Poor Mr. AnderSSon, a hideous monster completely ostracized by others because the "sperm" that grew into him was saturated with shit when it was fertilized. Totally unaware about what other people - his "debating partners" - say. So not used to human contact that he's ASSuming what others think. My heart goes out to him.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

So you're saying nobody died in or at Auschwitz III (Monowitz), in any way, form or shape?

Holocausted = any Jew killed by anyone deemed to be a Nazi or supporter of the Nazis, et c.

But good to know that, Nathan. It is sometimes difficult to know what you liars believe as your belief is very fluid -- to say the least.

FRANZ

inhistorics said...

I have a question that was asked of me about majdanek. If as van pelt pointed out, the low amount of residue on the walls of the Auschwitz gas chamber was consistent with the amount needed to kill humans, how come the one at Majdanek had more residue. Was one a killing chamber but not the other?

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

I have a question that was asked of me about majdanek. If as van pelt pointed out, the low amount of residue on the walls of the Auschwitz gas chamber was consistent with the amount needed to kill humans, how come the one at Majdanek had more residue. Was one a killing chamber but not the other?

Amount of residue was not low in comparison to delousing chambers if taking into consideration only samples without blue discoloration for proper comparison. Majdanek homicidal gas chamber showing blue stains may have been used as a delousing chamber after it stopped being used at a gas chamber. According to the findings of the Düsseldorf Court of Assizes at the Majdanek trial, gas chambers at Majdanek were no longer in use for homicidal purposes after the Erntefest massacre in November 1943.

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