Sunday, February 17, 2013

Kalymon Case

The deportation proceedings against John Kalymon, a Ukrainian police guard in L'viv, which have been in progress for several years, produced a legal judgement that can be read here. The crucial finding is that there are documents in which Kalymon accounted for his use of ammunition by stating that he shot Jews. I quote these below to indicate the brutality of the police's regular activities, from which readers can deduce their own conclusions:
 A report dated August 14, 1942, indicated that “Iv Kalymun recorded that he fired four shots while on duty,” wounding one Jew and killing another. Further, the chief of the commissariat filed a summary report on the same date indicating that policemen “delivered 2,128 Jews to a central assembly point.” The report stated that twelve Jews were “killed while escaping,” seven Jews were wounded, and that “Ivan Kalymun” expended four rounds of ammunition. Additionally, on August 20, 1942, “Kalymun” fired two rounds of ammunition used during operations where 525 Jews were delivered to an assembly point; fourteen Jews were shot and killed and six were wounded. The following day, “Ivan Kalymun” shot two rounds of ammunition in an operation where policemen rounded up and delivered an additional 805 Jews. In June 1943, Kalymon’s commissariat participated “in the liquidation of the Jewish ghetto” where Jews were shot or sent to forced labor camps. From November 19 through 23, 1943, all UAP members in L’viv, including those in Kalymon’s commissariat, participated in massive search operations to locate and to turn over any remaining Jews in the ghetto to German authorities.

22 comments:

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

This doesn't appear particularly "brutal" (if it's indeed true) compared to what Jews did to Ukrainians before they were liberated by the Germans. Quite mundane compared to what the Jews did...but you will see, nothing can trounce the suffering of the Jew - Jonathan and Roberta can attest to it!

FRANZ

The Black Rabbit of Inlé said...

"The Nuremberg trials are over, and the guilty leaders of the Nazi regime have been hanged by the conquerors. We are told that thousands yet remain to be tried, and that vast categories of Germans are classed as potentially guilty because of their association with the Nazi regime. After all, in a country which is handled as Germany was, the ordinary people have very little choice about what to do. I think some consideration should always be given to ordinary people. Everyone is not a Pastor Niemoller or a martyr, and When ordinary people are hurled this way and that, when the cruel hands of tyrants are laid upon them and vile systems of regimentation are imposed and enforced by espionage and other forms of cruelty, there are great numbers of people who will succumb. I thank God that in this island home of ours, we have never been put to the test which many of the peoples of Europe have had to undergo. It is my hope that we shall presently reach the end of the executions, penalties, and punishments, and that without forgetting the hard lessons of the past, we shall turn our faces resolutely towards the future."

- Winston Churchill, House of Commons, November 12, 1946

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

If we travel only 700 miles, or whatever, to Latvia, which is closely tied to Ukraine by common customs and traditions, one can also see what the Jews did:
http://www.angelfire.com/ks3/klubs/default.htm

What they did there, and everyplace else where they showed up, they invariably inflicted pure unadulterated horror and terror.
Therefore, logically speaking, why should we feel sympathy if the Jews rightfully tasted a bit of the same dish? Besides, a bullet must have been like a wish from above compared to what this scum in human form did to the folk in Latvia and Ukraine!

So stop moaning about this so-called "suffering" of Jews and the "brutality" against them. What Harrison quotes is not brutal at all.
If that bit of text he quotes is brutal, is flaying somebody alive or poking his eyes out considered de regeur...or kosher, if you wish?

FRANZ

NorfolkTurkey said...

FH; If we travel only 700 miles, or whatever, to Latvia, which is closely tied to Ukraine by common customs and traditions,..

AC;That would seem a little far fetched, as Latvia is traditionally Protestant in religion whereas the Ukraine is Orthodox or Greek Catholic,the linguistic affiliation is to different branches of the Indo-European family,and the historical development of the Ukraine has been tied to that of Russia, whereas for much of its history Latvia was connected to Scandinavia and northern Europe.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Okay, so Terry or whoever it was who commented is right on the religion bit. I didn't mention anything about that, though.
Terry should read up on the cultural ties between Latvia and the Ukraine - and he should also read up (although he knows all about it) on the terrible crimes his friends, the Jews, inflicted on these people. So what's a bullet compared to the crimes the Jews did to these peoples...brutal? Hardly!

FRANZ

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

This doesn't appear particularly "brutal" (if it's indeed true) compared to what Jews did to Ukrainians before they were liberated by the Germans. Quite mundane compared to what the Jews did...but you will see, nothing can trounce the suffering of the Jew - Jonathan and Roberta can attest to it!

If we travel only 700 miles, or whatever, to Latvia, which is closely tied to Ukraine by common customs and traditions, one can also see what the Jews did:
http://www.angelfire.com/ks3/klubs/default.htm

What they did there, and everyplace else where they showed up, they invariably inflicted pure unadulterated horror and terror.
Therefore, logically speaking, why should we feel sympathy if the Jews rightfully tasted a bit of the same dish? Besides, a bullet must have been like a wish from above compared to what this scum in human form did to the folk in Latvia and Ukraine!

So stop moaning about this so-called "suffering" of Jews and the "brutality" against them. What Harrison quotes is not brutal at all.
If that bit of text he quotes is brutal, is flaying somebody alive or poking his eyes out considered de regeur...or kosher, if you wish?

FRANZ


Isn't it cute to see this strange self-projecting fellow - who would be entitled to think the same of me if I insisted in calling him "Franziska", "kOnslina" or "Johanna (Andersson)" - whine about Soviet atrocities?

I hope for "Franz" that he can provide
a) the name of every victim, or at least the names of a sizable part of the victims, of this «pure unadulterated horror and terror» and
b) records of forensic examinations of every Soviet mass killing that so appalls him.
This because "Franz" idiotically yells for such evidence when it comes to mass murder perpetrated by his Nazi heroes (e.g. here), and dismisses all other evidence, without of course even trying to show what accepted rules or standards of evidence, if any, his approach is based on.

So let's see names and forensic reports here, "Franz".

Otherwise people might conclude that you apply different standards of evidence depending on whether or not a mass crime fits your ideological bubble.

And we wouldn't "Franz" to show himself up as a big-mouthed charlatan any more than he has already, would we?

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

PS:
Last sentence should read:
«And we wouldn't want "Franz" to show himself up as a big-mouthed charlatan any more than he has already, would we?»

Nathan said...

And, dodge in three, two....

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

The crimes by Jews on Europeans is not in question here.
It's about your precious Jews, and you've got only a questionable paper-trail for your belief - but no evidence!

That's it, like it or not Bibbi.

FRANZ

Nathan said...

Attaboy :)

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2007/03/and-now-for-something-not-completely.html

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henk said...
Eduard Filusch is a liar The Killers of Katyn is the SS. Reading the book
Arts achter prikkeldraad van A Haas.
greatings from Henk Gerrits Holland.

www.123website.nl/politiek
Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:28:00 am

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Look, this case posted by Harrison is not brutal in comparison of what the Jews did in Ukraine towards the Ukrainian people. That is my point.

Another point is that Jews, not Germans, or Ukrainians, or whoever else, are better known as the true "gunslingers" of WWII.

"The Jewish commissar with the leather jacket and Mauser pistol, often speaking broken Russian, is the typical image of revolutionary power." (source: LÜGEN: RUßLAND UND DIE JUDEN IM 20. JAHRHUNDERT (Siedler, Berlin 1992)

Here's a photograph of two scum-sucking gunslingers:
http://rawupload.org/di/95WR/Russian-Jewish-Gunslingers1_k0nsl.jpg.

Jews, not Germans or anybody else, were the real gunslinging murderers in WWII.

FRANZ

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Here we have yet another terrorist (Jewish, of course):

http://rawupload.org/pt/7K9S/Jewish-Gunslinger-in-Poland-1943_k0nsl.html" title="Jewish Gunslinger in Poland 1943 k0nsl

That's your hero, Faye Schulman. That ugly piece of shit died 1989, all peacefully. I wonder how many innocent lives this Jewess took with her guns?

I'm compiling a list with prominent Jewish gunslingers soon, along with some images of their victims (quite a lot of such pictures exist).

Harrison does not have any clue about "brutality". The Jews in WWII and after WWII were the brutal ones, hardly the Germans or their allies - not in comparison, in any case!

FRANZ

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

The fun & games took a path down the wrong road for this gunslinger:

http://rawupload.org/di/92TG/captured-gunslinger01_k0nsl.jpg

No more bang-bang for her!

It's not a surprise that many gunslingers, who unfortunately survived the war, came to like Lucky Luke:
http://youtu.be/BrdjhoGLpJM

But this gal cannot bang-bang no more :-(

FRANZ

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

Hey "Franz", where are those names and forensic reports regarding your «pure unadulterated horror and terror»?

Otherwise people might conclude that you apply different standards of evidence depending on whether or not a mass crime fits your ideological bubble.

And we wouldn't want "Franz" to show himself up as a big-mouthed charlatan any more than he has already, would we?

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Sorry, they are not in dispute here. We're talking about your jews.

You do not have real, credible evidence for your claims (except useless paper and digital quotes). Maybe it's time to stop this insane hatred of Germans, or maybe you like poking your nose far up the figurative asshole of the Jews?

Well, guess it takes an asshole to do that.

Come back when you have your evidence, Roberta.

FRANZ

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

Sorry, they are not in dispute here. We're talking about your jews.

You do not have real, credible evidence for your claims (except useless paper and digital quotes). Maybe it's time to stop this insane hatred of Germans, or maybe you like poking your nose far up the figurative asshole of the Jews?

Well, guess it takes an asshole to do that.

Come back when you have your evidence, Roberta.

FRANZ


Pathetic self-projecting kOnsl (how many times do I have to tell the poor fellow that I'm not interested in what problems he obviously has with his male identity?) repeats his imbecilic "credible evidence" squealing, without ever having answered the following questions:

1. What is it that k0nsl would accepted as "credible evidence"?
2. What rules or standards of evidence, other than his irrelevant own, are k0nsl's demands for "credible evidence" based on?
3. What mass crimes that he accepts as factual have been proven on hand of what he would accept as "credible evidence", and in what respect is such "credible evidence" supposed to be superior to the evidence that is not "credible" enough to meet k0nsl's demands?

Well, at least he has he admitted that cannot provide, in what concerns his «pure unadulterated horror and terror», the kind of evidence he yells for (without any justification other than convenience to his argument, of course) when it comes to the crimes of his Nazi heroes.

Which, of course, is further confirmation that k0nsl is nothing but a double-standard charlatan, with a big mouth and nothing to show for it.

NorfolkTurkey said...

FH;Look, this case posted by Harrison is not brutal in comparison of what the Jews did in Ukraine towards the Ukrainian people. That is my point.

AC;If that were true, it would simply indicate the inadequacy of the administrative structure of the governments involved, whether Nazi or Soviet. A government has the responsibility to protect the citizens over which it has sovreignty, regardless of the ethnic or religious origin of either the government or the people it governs. Simply shooting large numbers of people is not an adequate response to ethnic conflict. In this respect, as in many others, the German government of the time proved itself to be simple-minded and incompetent, (as well as morally deficient) and that certainly contributed to the disastrous defeat they managed to deliver for the German people in 1945, which was the culmination of their inadequate management.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Tell me, Bibbi, why should I explain the obvious to you?
If I must, can I do the condensed version of vis-a-vis the same conduct performed by the Germans upon locating the Katyn mass graves - a crime perpetrated by your darlings?

Let's apply the Katyn standards of evidence with modern tools and evaluative method on your rubbish claims and we'll see who's right: superstition over science. The winner in that case should be obvious even to you, my friendly Boobo.

FRANZ

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

Tell me, Bibbi, why should I explain the obvious to you?
If I must, can I do the condensed version of vis-a-vis the same conduct performed by the Germans upon locating the Katyn mass graves - a crime perpetrated by your darlings?

Let's apply the Katyn standards of evidence with modern tools and evaluative method on your rubbish claims and we'll see who's right: superstition over science. The winner in that case should be obvious even to you, my friendly Boobo.


So now the windbag wants to see "Katyn standards of evidence" applied.

Elsewhere I have asked the windbag several questions about, among other things, how far his "Katyn standards of evidence" get him as concerns his "pure unadulterated horror and terror". These are the questions:

1. Do you accept as a fact that, as mentioned here, no less than 681,692 people were executed by the Soviet NKVD in 1937-38? Yes or no?

2. If the answer to the previous question should be "yes", how do you think this figure was established?
Was it established on the basis of forensic investigation of the burial places?
Or was it established on the basis of documentary evidence, i.e. paper that you "wipe your ass" with?


3. How many "claims" regarding mass crimes committed by your "Judeo-Bolshevik" black beasts, other than the Katyn killings, you can substantiate with "something like Katyn, for example", i.e. with a criminal investigation such as was organized by Nazi Germany in regard to the Katyn killings?

4. If the answer to question # 3 should be "zero" or "none", are you arguing that the 4,000-or-so corpses found at Katyn are the only proven mass murder victims of your "Judeo-Bolshevik" black beasts?

5. What is "REAL evidence" in your book, bigmouth?

6. And what rules or standards of evidence, other than your irrelevant own, is your proclaimed notion of "REAL evidence" based on?

7. Now, if you claim to have "science" on your side, how about showing us where forensic/scientific data are supposed to have proven what becomes apparent from other evidence about the crimes of your Nazi heroes to be "lies"? Preferably with regard to the physical evidence mentioned in some of the HC blogs collected under the label "graves". Thanks in advance for your efforts.

Needless to say, the cowardly windbag is running away from these questions as fast as he can.

Franz Holtzhäuser said...

Still no evidence, I see.

FRANZ

Roberto Muehlenkamp said...

«Still no evidence, I see.»

Remove the comma and you have an accurate statement: no evidence that the bottom-feeder is prepared to see, because the bottom-feeder is prepared to see no evidence whatsoever that would go against his articles of faith.

When you show him certain types of evidence he yells for other types of evidence, without even trying to explain why the types of evidence he yells for are supposed to be a sine qua non to proving mass murder or more conclusive than the types of evidence he has been shown.

And when you show him the type of evidence he yells for, say forensic reports, he'll start squealing that such reports are "communist" and/or "not independent" because the evidence was not assessed in the presence of "representatives from the different spectator countries", crap like that. Without, of course, even trying to show according to what rules or standards the presence of "representatives from the different spectator countries" is supposed to be a mandatory ingredient of an objective crime site investigation.

By putting blinders like these in front of his eyes, the bottom-feeder of course avoids ever seeing any evidence he doesn't want to see, like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand.

Such is the cowardly behavior of someone afraid of facing up to facts that might damage his ideological peace of mind.

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